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Dr. Greg Bahnsen and Dr. Gordon Stein debated this question at the University of This debate has influenced a large number of people. This is the famous formal debate between Dr. Bahnsen and atheist promoter Dr. Gordon Stein held at the university of California (Irvine) in Hear how hard. Greg L. Bahnsen (September 17, – December 11, ) was an American Calvinist The debate with Stein marked one of the earliest uses of a transcendental argument for the existence of God (TAG). In a controversy emerged.

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Does God Exist? Bahnsen vs Stein (Debate Transcript)

Okay now, throughout history eleven major kinds of evidence or proof have been offered [unintelligible] for the existence of god. And of course if he were I would immediately ask him if that law of logic is one of the things that we are necessarily to live according to. One of them would be the problem of evil. Hume said we had no rational basis for that….

Arguments over conflicting presuppositions between vorldveiws therefore must be resolved somewhat differently and yet still rationally than conflicts over factual existence claims within a worldview or system of thought.

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My last introductory remark is simply to the effect that I want to concede to my opponent all issues pertaining to the control of ovarian maturation in Japanese quail. And I thank Dr. Now theists like myself will gladly and readily do so. Are they simply conventions then? It frees man, it sweeps away the theological debris that has prevented man from taking action to correct the problems of this world.

This is not true although they are mostly the same. Your email address will not be published. To say that god gave man free will and therefore he can chose between the evil and good is to imply that god was unable to make a man who could examine both sides and always chose good. For example, in natural disasters like an earthquake or a fire.

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Not symbolic logic for example? Is that a logical impossibility? Stein told you well we use the laws of logic because we can make accurate predictions using them. Bahnsen has not offered us any.


They also, an atheist is not someone who denies that there is a god. Then we have the argument from miracles. They are, if you will, a reflection of the way God thinks and expects us to think. Would you call them immaterial?

In fact, print it out and take notes! A long time ago.

In other words if we have two things that… if you want to make a comparative evil statement which is more evil than than another the thing is more evil which causes more people to be unhappy. I will try to straighten him out. Now if I assert that this gentleman can fly by flapping his arms as I said the burden of proof is on him. And if we do them because they are right and they make people happy we will be made happy ourselves by making other people happy.

Well I certainly do. The law of gravitation, we drop objects all over the world in different situations and we always observe that they fall to the earth. So I better be prepared to do that or I better be prepared to have people not believe what I say.

We want to feed the hungry. This is a trap, in effect. And there are reasons for that, three:.

Does God Exist? Bahnsen vs Stein (Debate Transcript)

In such cases, one does not do anything like walking to the pantry and looking inside for the crackers. Dr Bahnsen was truly a gifted man, and it showed here. Or is that just a convention? It says that the Bible says that god exists and the Bible is the inspired word of god, therefore what it says must be true, therefore god exists.

He makes an awful lot of statements that are basically feelings; he felt god entered his life, he felt that this happened, he felt that Jesus was resurrected. The existence of these values cannot be explained unless they were implanted in people by a god, therefore god exists.

From a Christian bahsen we have an answer, obviously, they reflect the thinking of God. In fact, if we had a god we could very easily have an irrational god who did things capriciously so that if I threw a ball one time I thew it it would go up and the next time down and you know crashed straight down steun soar right up.


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Stein to take the opposite side and say no, God does not exist. I would disagree with that but… ummm, well I still have some time alright. I would disagree with you. Bahnsenan American portfolio manager, author, and television commentator. You did say that? Just as the naturalist would insist that Christ could not have risen from the dead or that there is a natural explanation yet to be found of how he did rise from the dead, so the supernaturalist insists that the alleged discrepancies in the Bible have an explanation, some yet to be found perhaps, and that the evil of this world has a sufficient reason behind it known at least to God.

And electron and a proton attract each other. If I can plug in a formula and show exactly where a cannon ball is going to land and predict exactly where it will strike then my mathematics is reflecting something valid about the behavior of cannon balls that are fired on this earth.

Bahnsen in the first place about any issue. Directiond for Defending the Faith. But even if we restrict our attention the other, more simple, laws debafe logic it should be seen that if their truths cannot be decided independently of experience then they actually become contingent.

Stein has such presuppositions and so do I and so do all of you. He could also say that, the old argument about free will which is basically a morass into which he may fall if he wishes, will not do.

And the reason for that is metaphysically because of the non-natural character of God and epistemologically because of the presuppositional character of commitment bahnseen or against his existence.